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  • 1.2.4.3 The Unknowable

    Most religions, and many philosophers, assume the ultimate reality, called Brahma, God or the noumenon, is beyond the grasp of our normal senses, unknowable and incomprehensible.  Unfortunately they also feel the need to explain how beliefs and values come from this unknown Brahma, God or the noumenon.  But this is a terrible mistake. 

    As discussed further in Chapters 1.3 (Theology) and 1.5 (Ethics) we cannot learn something specific, like particular moral rules or even general guidelines or values, from what is unknown.

    We don't know anything about what is unknowable or incomprehensible.  Something that is incomprehensible doesn’t help us to understand reality.

    We cannot conclude that Brahma, God or the noumenon are good or bad, automatons or conscious, caring or indifferent.  Far too many people make a huge, groundless leap to declare that some incomprehensible thing behind what we perceive directly provides meaning, purpose and value.

    But conceptually, by Occam’s razor, it is simpler to not take seriously stuff, such as the noumenon, that we have no contact with. 

    Inexpressible

    Others suggest the fundamental nature of the universe is knowable but can't be expressed in words: “the Tao that can be expressed is not the eternal Dao”.  Many followers of this approach believe that we can have a direct wordless experience of Brahma, God or the noumenon that is a real and meaningful experience.  We can perceive it, but perhaps not with our normal five senses.  And any attempt to capture this in words, like these pages, is unhelpful, misleading or irrelevant.

    Even though we can experience it, they say we still don't know its fundamental nature so it remains unknowable.  These people are saying that we can experience strange things, but their fundamental nature is inexpressible

    On the other hand, many of these supposedly intangible insights can be stated by other people:

    ·       In Vedantist Hinduism the summary is Thou art That (or You are That). 

    ·       In Buddhism the essence is that our selves are illusions.  Once we see that, suffering disappears.

    So according to these people, our intellectual and ‘spiritual’ challenge is to work out what these summaries mean then experience this truth directly.

    Conclusion

    There is no doubt that we can have ‘spiritual’ experiences.  The question is how we interpret them.  The various traditional religions come to different answers, usually quite contradictory, and there are no grounds to believe one such interpretation over another.

    But more fundamentally, we cannot conclude anything specific from that which is unknown.  We summarise this conclusion as follows:

    1.2.4.3  We can't infer ethics, values or meaning from the unknowable, the inexpressible, or the incomprehensibility of the ultimate nature of reality.  more (later)

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    It could be in any language, or have no words, or just be instrumental.  From pop, to classical, a cappella to orchestral!

    Examples of the music we seek:

    ●   On the Tenets page, accessed from the main menu, our current choice is a Song Without Words from Mendelssohn (who died in 1847), Opus 14 Nbr 4, called Contentment.  Check it out: the Tenets conclude most times, I have a measure of content.

       Chapter 2.3 covers the solar system and Earth’s development.  In there somewhere, surely we should be hearing Gustav Holst's The Planets, which premiered 100 years ago.  There is a movement for each of the planets.

    Please tell as much identifying information as you can: a link, and/or the name of the piece and a person’s name may be enough, but if you know it please also send the artist/performer, composer/lyricist, year written, year recorded, record label, copyright owner, or similar details.

    We have to worry about copyright: acknowledge it, and not infringe on it.  Music that is out of copyright, or was never copyrighted (eg like real, ie very old, folk music) is good.  Some material is ‘open source’ allowing others to use it for free.  For newer restricted copyright music we may have to seek permission to play it, but we can’t afford to pay for it.  It depends on the circumstances.  In general, copyright in text, images and music lasts for 70 years after the year of the creator's death, even if the creator does not own copyright.

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